Via Chris Blattman https://chrisblattman.com/2022/02/23/gangsters-want-to-be-good-people-too/?fbclid=IwAR2VpkZFQq9utSB_IoRuAAs8HfYl3GAxkq7eDB4O1ddYkrfNdaeukOWc5zY
The link to the transcript of the interview is in Blattman’s post. It is also posted in Marginal Revolution but the link to the transcript gives only part of it. But one can read the comments.
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2022/02/tabarrok-on-the-ezra-klein-podcast.html
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